The New London Day
on Sunday June 11, 2010, had a front-page spread, above-the-fold, about
the CNVA reunion, by Kenton Robinson. While the whole story, plus a
short video, was posted on the Day's website, I have scanned
the print version below as a backup, assuming the online version is not
permanent. (I also saved the web page to my disk, and reformatted it below,
but could not get the video.)
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ONLINE VERSION: re-formatted by Gene Keyes
Publication: The Day
http://www.theday.com/article/20100613/NWS08/306139849
Note: Original web-page also included a 2 minute video
from this URL:
http://p.castfire.com/mOjxp/video/352102/352102_2010-06-11-180122.2217.flv
viewable; but I was unable to download it.
50 years of pushing nonviolence
Protesters found purpose in opposing submarine industry; first
office on New London's Bank Street
By Kenton
Robinso
Published 06/13/2010 12:00 AM
Updated 06/13/2010 06:35 AM
Abigail Pheiffer/The Day
Protestors pass out literature to General
Dymnamics Electric Boat employees as they enter and exit the Groton facility
on Friday, June 11, 2010. The event was organized by the Cooperative for
Nonviolent Action to commemorate the “Polaris Summer” which was started
fifty years ago this month by the New England Committee for Nonviolent Action.
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Abigail Pheiffer/The Day
Protestors pass out literature to General
Dymnamics Electric Boat employees as they enter and exit the Groton facility
on Friday, June 11, 2010. The event was organized by the Cooperative for
Nonviolent Action to commemorate the “Polaris Summer” which was started fifty
years ago this month by the New England Committee for Nonviolent Action.
Dana Jensen /The Day
Traffic turns from Bank Street onto Water Street past the
peace vigil Wednesday, one of the events planned this week commemorating
the 50th anniversary of the Committee for Nonviolent Action.
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Dana Jensen /The Day
Marj Swann of Santa Cruz, Calif., a founding
member of the Committee for Nonviolent Action, participates in a peace
vigil Wednesday at the Soldiers and Sailors Monument in New London.
Dana Jensen /The Day
Traffic turns from Bank Street onto Water Street
past the peace vigil Wednesday, one of the events planned this week commemorating
the 50th anniversary of the Committee for Nonviolent Action.
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Catholic_Citizen
Posted - June 17, 2010
02:14 PM
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I may not agree with them, but I will defend their
right to say what they will. It's part of the Bill of Rights - and the
obligation to defend the Constitution is an integral part of the Soldier's
Oath. I swore it, many of the commentators here swore it, and there is a
stature that represents countless millions who have sworn that oath before
us standing guard over these protesters.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
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T from the
one board Posted
- June 15, 2010 07:38 PM
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No village is complete without its idiot. The
fact that we have several standing guard at the Soldiers and Sailors monument
is a mark of progress. CONGRADULATIONS, NL! Not every town has such a strong
representation public buffonery.
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Betsy S
Posted - June 15, 2010
04:32 PM
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My very first deletion ever and I couldn't figure
out what I said that violated any policy. At least I find I'm in good
company!
Someone at the Day seems to be overly sensitive to the extent that
we are being refused our freedom of speech (through comments). Only protestors
have that right?
We should always ask the questions that might be uncomfortable or even
embarrassing about those groups who cause a public display or disruption.
Silencing the questioners is un-American.
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Kev-ster
Posted - June 15, 2010
07:28 AM
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I'm not too crazy about these protesters, I walked
past them too. I'm not too crazy about Tea Partiers either, maybe you
have to tolerate one to have the right to join the other.
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wylie
Posted - June 14, 2010
06:35 PM
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HMAC: Actually, for once I didn't see any posts
on this subject that warranted deletion.
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HMAC
Posted - June 14, 2010
06:16 PM
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Wylie,
I agree, your use of peter pans I thought was fairly mild, I know I
wanted to use something a little more harsh, discretion got the better of
me.
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wylie
Posted - June 14, 2010
05:38 PM
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It would be nice if when, "This comment has been
removed for violation of policy.", that they would specify what the infraction
was. I thought that I had (finally) learned to be fairly civil on this
site... OK. so calling someone "Peter Pans" may have been a bit condescending.
But a violation??? Harsh. Someone has a pretty thin skin at The Day. Geez.
It makes it sound like I dropped th F-bomb.
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wylie
Posted - June 14, 2010
05:31 PM
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allicat: You seem to assume that only peace activists
hold the high ground on altruism. Based upon my personal activities I
can say that you are wrong. I volunteer in my church, kid's school, some
political campaigns, environmental work, as a Troop Supporter at a work-based
charity, maintaining nature trails, pushing for recycling at a town where
I once lived, manning the procession route for the last two local soldiers
who were killed in service, donating generously to charities, keeping an
eye on my elderly, widowed neighbor, etc... I regret having to take public
credit for these actions which I would have preferred to keep quiet (because
I believe that true charity should be anonymous). But I felt compelled to
dispel your false assumptions.
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John Yannacci,
Sr. Posted
- June 14, 2010 05:20 PM
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I don't know what nerves you hit, alleycat, all
of your posts have been removed.
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HMAC
Posted - June 14, 2010
04:33 PM
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I give blood at every blood drive I can, I'm a
scout master for a local Boyscout Troup and I'm active in my church, and
with all that my wife and I are raising three children. That's community
service! You are a classic case of a 22 cal. mind in a 44 mag. world. Your
welcome for your right to free speech.
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allicat
Posted - June 14, 2010
03:42 PM
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well, well, it appears I have certainly hit a
nerve here! and all it took was to redirect Mr. Irons' statement to "further
research and find out how these people support themselves. Or, more to the
point, who supports them? Is it we the taxpayers? " from one group of people
with obviously too much time on their hands to another.(that would be you
bloggers) and the point is proven: to judge someone based soley on a difference
of an opinion is wrong. To those of you who have served in the military I
honor and thank you. I would like to add that there are more and different
ways to serve our fellow citizens. for those of you with extra time, please
consider volunteering, visiting a shut in neighbor or perhaps even a kind
word to a stranger. This is bringing honor and service to a community level.
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HMAC
Posted - June 14, 2010
02:34 PM
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It seems some are questioning our employment and
military history. I served in the Marine Corp, from 1980 to 1988. I now
work for the Naval Dept.
I doubt the cnva people can say the same, And David Irons, Marine27896
and myself are ridiculed, go figure!
I'd rather they just said thank you for there right to protest, because
without us and so many more this country might be alot different.
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David Irons
Posted - June 14, 2010
01:19 PM
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wylie, your candor is appreciated. Although you
did not serve, the fact that you now strongly support those of us who did
speaks well of you. Truth be told, had I not been drafted, I can not say
that I would have served either. But I was drafted and, rather than do as
Blumenthal did, I chose to answer the call.
Good to see that you won't be "pulling a Blumenthal".
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wylie
Posted - June 14, 2010
11:36 AM
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David Irons: Just so that I don't have a Richard
Blumenthal moment...I want to clarify that I never served in the armed
forces. When I was younger I was too selfish. In hindsight, I wish that
I had.
Because I never carried my weight in defense of this country, I support
our service people without reservation whenever I can.
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wylie
Posted - June 14, 2010
11:32 AM
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John Y: Agreed. I believe that Liberals and Conservatives,
Democrats and Republicans, etc, etc all have the same goals; peace, liberty,
equality, prosperity for all. We just differ greatly on how best to achieve
those goals.
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John Yannacci,
Sr. Posted
- June 14, 2010 10:54 AM
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I can't see what everyone is so up in arms about.
These people are peaceful protesters. They're not the SDS, Symbionese
Liberation Army, or the Black Panthers. They don't block anyone's way
and they aren't violent or obnoxious. They are simply exercising a constitutionally
protected right. We, who served in the military took an oath to support
and defend the Constitution of the United States. I don't remember any
codicils stating that I only had to defend it when I agreed with the the
subject being protested. I would love to live in a world where war didn't
exist. Unlike these protesters, I feel that is an impossible dream and
that we have to prepare and be ready for war. Building subs is part of
that preparation. This country always has been and always will be comprised
of people with different opinions. Our Constitution makes it possible for
people to voice those opinions peacefully without fear. Back in the 70s,
I was at a dedication at a VFW Post in Massachusetts. I remember the chaplain
giving a prayer in which he said that he prayed for the day that there
would be no need for VFW Posts. A pipe dream perhaps but the same pipe
dream that the anti war protesters have. The animosity that is being expressed
here is senseless.
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David Irons
Posted - June 14, 2010
08:13 AM
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allicat, I think you would find that most of those
like wylie, HMAC, Marine27896 and I do work and have also served to defend
our country and those freedoms which allow these people to protest. We
do not deny them their right to protest. We defend it, as we did for all
those years we wore the uniform and put our life on the line for them and
you.
But, we also have those rights which those protesters so readily take
advantage of and we will utilize the rights we fought for and defended to
express our opinion as well.
Now, perhaps, you can go back and ask those who have so much time on
their hands that they can travel the country to stage their protests,
do they work? And, if not, how do they support themselves? Or, more likely,
what taxpayer funded handout supports them?
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David Irons
Posted - June 14, 2010
08:05 AM
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HMAC, thank you, you version of the poem is the
one I was trying to remember. This time,I am going to save a copy of your
father's wording of it. Again, thanks. And my belated condolences on your
dad. I lost mine the same year at age 80.
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wylie
Posted - June 14, 2010
07:57 AM
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allicat
Posted - June 13, 2010
10:25 PM
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wylie
Posted - June 13, 2010
10:10 PM
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Posted - June 13, 2010
09:22 PM
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HMAC
Posted - June 13, 2010
07:02 PM
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Davids Irons,
I'm not sure which one is more accurate the version you posted or the
one I have below. They both speak volume's. When I saw your post the poem
sounded familiar, my father had this version in his dress uniform pocket,
which I now have.
God and the soldier
All men adore
In time of trouble,
And no more;
For when war is over
And all things righted,
God is neglected -
The old soldier slighted
My dad passed away in 1988, I"m very proud of him and his service to
our country and equally proud of you and all who served. Thank you, and
I'll pass that prayer along to my dad tonight.
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SEctres
Posted - June 13, 2010
06:53 PM
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Interesting that some of postings are from people
who are against anyone that does not agree with what they think.
I also served during the 60's and although I do not agree with the
protesters anti defense stance, I respect their rights to protest. I don't
feel serving gives me any more rights then those who did not serve. It
was my choice. I do not regret one minute of serving our country. But again
it doesn't make me any more privileged then those who didn't.
We don't have to agree or listen, but let them protest. It's their
right! Some of today's pacifist served in Vietnam and many of today's
hawks never served at all.
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Just Dave
Posted - June 13, 2010
05:31 PM
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It must be great to dream of living in a utopian
world, but unfortunately we don't!
Since the beginning of recorded history and before, man has always
found a reason for war; either it was resources, race, boundaries, religion,
and a result of some ego maniac's self indulgence and in some cases, tradition.
It's the nature of the beast!
These people should remember that for every flock of doves that sit
down at the peace table there has to be a hawk standing in the background;
otherwise their pleas for peace won’t be heard! Common sense will
tell you that!
This means you have to always be in a state of readiness! YOU MUST
PREPARE TO SURVIVE! If your potential aggressors' believe mutual annihilation
or his total destruction will be the end result any major conflict, then
he is not likely to engage you! You attain peace through strength!
Even in nature, plants, animals, insects, bacteria and viruses all
develop ways to defend and attack each other. So if we are what evolutionary
science says we are, then we are no different!
Leaving yourself vulnerable is plain STUPID!
Survival is about being prepared! If you’re not prepared,
you have little chance of surviving! If you don’t survive, you're
not alive, and then what is the point!
I'm sure these people all had good intentions, but to try and change
the nature of man is, and was, always predestined to fail.
The fact that this particular newspaper chose to print a celebration
of failure, only shows how much thought they put into this article!
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David Irons
Posted - June 13, 2010
04:25 PM
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HMAC, if your father is still with us, please
give him my sincere "thank you" for his service. If he is no longer with
us, please say a prayer for him on my behalf.
I have to admit to not understanding Latin (though I could have asked
my wife to translate) but I Goggled it for the translation. Coming from
you, I felt it had to be worthwhile. Thanks.
Tony, I believe you are right that America has awakened again. But
I fear it will again be a temporary situation. Let me see if I can recall
a poem I heard long ago. (I know this isn't the exact wording I saw. If
anyone has the correct wording, please post).
God and soldier all men adore
In time of strife and time of war
But when troubles over and the world is righted
God is forgotten and
The soldier slighted.
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Tony Cabral
Posted - June 13, 2010
04:11 PM
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Liberty: That was very well expressed! Everytime
I saw the pacificist dude holding his sign with his mime like posture
at the Soldiers's and Sailor's Monument day in and day out I knew he was
not the menace.The menace is complacency among even the minded,even handed
citizens,not extremists of any sort.The good news is I believe America
has awakened once again.
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HMAC
Posted - June 13, 2010
03:33 PM
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David Irons, Thank you for your postings today,
it's to bad all our word's fall on deaf ears! I was going to banter further,
however I can see it would be waste of time. I'm glad someone got the
Latin quote, my father a Sargent Major in the Marine Corp used it often.
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Liberty
Posted - June 13, 2010
02:48 PM
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The menace to society is not peaceloving people;
the menace to our society is the ones that forgot,,,there still remains
a bully on every corner, and holding a peace sign in his face is not going
to stop him from htting you or forcing you to do something you may choose
nto too...like "hand over your freedom or hand over your money,,,or hand
over your Free country..." cause we say so. To the weak ones who feel
that peaceful solutions is a banddanna on your forehead and a pipe of
pot in your mouth and a bunch of noisey music....Sorry that won't cut it
for me..FREEDOM is being able to HOLD your ENEMIES at Bay not handing them
candy....cause they won't settle for one chocolate they will want the
whole lot. So all you hippies keep doing what you do....in the meantime
stay out of the way please....as you may get run over by people who do
believe in a strong America and Patriotism.
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wylie
Posted - June 13, 2010
01:52 PM
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I find it ironic that these people are wasting
their time protesting the building of Ballistic submarines and calling
them "machines of death", regardless of the fact that NEVER has one of
these boats EVER fired a missile in the act of war. They have positively
proven their purpose of deterring a war just by being there.
It's a fact that more people have died from food poisoning caught at
a Church supper than has ever been killed by a ballistic submarine.
Maybe these Peter Pans need to protest outside a church potluck dinner....
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Live Here
Posted - June 13, 2010
01:18 PM
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Mr. Irons, we have done much more than prepare.
As the once fearless and defeated Napolean once said, You can do anything
with bayonets...except sit on them.
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David Irons
Posted - June 13, 2010
01:06 PM
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While I strongly disagree with those protesters,
I will, and did, defend with my life their right to do so. But, I too
have those same rights which permit me to voice my disgust with their antics
and philosophies. For, you see, all those years I spent defending their
rights, I was also defending my rights to free speech, and our other rights.
Dollar Bill, HMAC, wylie and others, hang tough. Our right to express
our opposition to these peaceniks is just as valid as their right.
And for those who didn't bother to translate HMAC's Latin quote, "Si
vis pacem, para bellum", it means "If you wish for peace, prepare for war".
Thanks, HMAC. Well said.
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Live Here
Posted - June 13, 2010
01:06 PM
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Ronna Stuller has brought a semblance of rationality
to this little conversation. I am not a pacifist, but I am against the
mindless (undeclared I might add) wars we have waged since the end of WWII.
Not one has brought peace. We have a collapsed economy, and Congressman
Courtney sings the praises of the jobs created by spending billions of USD
on submarines. To argue that Vietnam (or Korea or all the other invasions
after) was right because young US soldiers were killed is to ignore the
cruelty that left 3 million Southeast Asians, most civilians, men, women
and children dead and maimed. With 800 bases world-wide what exactly are
we getting? That is trillions of USD. Meanwhile we bleed oil in the gulf,
much of which was destined for military use. We have confused the need for
security with the huge and ever expanding cost of militarism; a cost that
exceeds all of the rest of the world combined.
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ed
Posted - June 13, 2010
01:00 PM
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Wow, Thank God for all of you privileged War Mongers!
According to your raving posts here, We have killed our way to the top
and will continue to kill to stay there. An eye for an eye only brings
blindness! A simple solution for the simple minded! Peace is not wrong,
you are!
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Cheap Seats
Posted - June 13, 2010
12:50 PM
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Although I disagree with these protesters and
think they are wasting their time...good for them. I swore an oath to uphold
their right to protest. I don't have to agree with them. So what if The Day
wants to let us know that these people believe strongly in their convictions.
Great! Let's celebrate our great country where these folks can protest and
we can ignore them. Our press can write about them. Sounds like things are
working in this country...
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Dollar Bill
Posted - June 13, 2010
12:49 PM
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HMAC
Posted - June 13, 2010
12:44 PM
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Si vis pacem, para bellum
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Past Resident
Posted - June 13, 2010
12:28 PM
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Ronna Stuller - How long do you think it would
take for this country to be reduced to a third world country if we got
rid of our defense weapons and programs? I agree with wylie wholeheartedly.
But I must add that we do need people thinking peace to keep everything
on an even keel. I guess its part of the checks and balances that make this
country what it is. This group is just a little over the edge in its demands
though.
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wylie
Posted - June 13, 2010
12:03 PM
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Ronna Stuller wrote: ..."What is practical about
spending billions of dollars to build weapons we hope to never use?"...
That is exactly the point of not using these weapons systems. If you
have them you will not have to use them. It's called, "Mutally Assured
Destruction", and it is the reason that no shots were actually fired during
the cold war. If the US did not have these weapons, there would surely
have been an actual bloddy war.
Get your head out of the sand. These are just a bunch of aging hippies
looking to re-live their acid fueled Glory Days before they pass on to
the great bong in the sky to the sounds of a tambourine procession and a
Kum-Bay-yah chorus.
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Ronna Stuller
Posted - June 13, 2010
11:49 AM
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I had the privilege of meeting Marj Swann on Wednesday
evening, when she and other CNVA members and supporters joined our regular
weekly peace vigil. She recounted that, when members of the Minutemen
were serving their sentences for attacking the Voluntown Peace Farm, the
residents reached out to help the families of the jailed men. Sometimes,
we have to decide, in a violent and imperfect world, whether to continue
to perpetuate the problem, or to make a stand to try to be part of the
solution. I certainly promote peace in my preschool class and in my neighborhood,
and it's not considered controversial at all. Why is it different when
we try to enlarge the circle of peacefulness to national policy?
Our world view has become backward. What is practical about spending
billions of dollars to build weapons we hope to never use? Or about causing
human and environmental damage when it is deemed necessary to use some
of them? We currently purchase train cars from Japan; couldn't EB's workers'
skills be well utilized (and well compensated) manufacturing things we
urgently need and currently import?
One last comment: I wonder why the "get a job!" response to peaceful
demonstrations is so common. Some people who witness for peace are retired,
some are disabled veterans, but the vast majority of us have jobs, own
homes and pay taxes like everyone else. Do we really want to live in a country
in which people are so beaten down by their employment that they have no
time or energy for anything else? Is that the nature of the freedom that
we cherish? I hope not.
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HMAC
Posted - June 13, 2010
11:31 AM
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Who's providing the blanket of freedom these people
sleep under every night? Our men and woman fighting abroad that's who!
I respect the right of these people to protest, what I don't respect is
where they protest! A war memorial honoring those who fell is not the place.
My family has lost son's, father's, uncle's and daughter's in every war
since the Revolution and to protest at a war monument disrespect's there
sacrifice!
I grew up in Voluntown, these people are far from peacefull, they would
look for trouble and when they found it they would claim they were performing
a peacefull demonstration. They once defaced the memorial stone in town,
in protest they claimed, my uncles name is on that stone, so we made our
own form of protest directly to them.
When we people get it, freedom isn't free!
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SEctres
Posted - June 13, 2010
11:02 AM
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"further research and find out how these people
support themselves" by Dave Irons, who cares and what does this have to
do with anything?. Are you saying that how someone supports themselves
determines what they can do under the constitution?
The day we don't have questions and protests against policies in this
gret country is the day we get one day closer to nazi Germany.
John Yannacci's comment is the only one that addresses what it is all
about.
We don't have to agree with the protesters, but they have the right
to express their beliefs. That is what makes America so much better then
the rest of the world!!!!!!!
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soho
Posted - June 13, 2010
11:00 AM
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Google info about Lyttle is that he writes books,
which people must buy, and he also sues city police departments. You've
got to make a living some how.
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Betsy S
Posted - June 13, 2010
10:28 AM
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John Yannacci,
Sr. Posted
- June 13, 2010 09:56 AM
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Every time I re-enlisted and when I was commissioned
as a warrant officer, I took an oath to "...support and defend the Constitution
of the United States of America...". Seeing these people practice their
Constitutionally protected right to peacefully assemble makes me feel that
I fulfilled my oath.
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Larry Greene
Posted - June 13, 2010
09:55 AM
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The proponents of peace movement have always been
fake. They lump nations that initiate war in with the nations that defend
themselves. It's not like they don't know the difference, they do. They
choose not to go where, as Marine27896 points out, those that initiate
war may be. Instead, they protest in the nations that are the defenders
against war. That demonstrates what side they are really on. They are less
for peace than they are for surrender.
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David Irons
Posted - June 13, 2010
09:49 AM
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Perhaps Mr. Robinson could do some further research
and find out how these people support themselves. Or, more to the point,
who supports them? Is it we the taxpayers?
Kenton, you opened this can of worms. Now follow up and give us an
answer to this question.
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David Irons
Posted - June 13, 2010
09:46 AM
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The last line, "And today they will conduct a
memorial service at their farmhouse in Voluntown to remember those among
them who are gone." speaks volumes.
They will gather to remember those who protested. Will they shed a
tear for those valiant, brave service members who over many years and still
today are laying down their lives to protect the freedom of speech that
allows these clowns to show their ignorance?
Thank you, Swann and the rest of these malcontents, but I prefer to
remember those who gave their all that you might enjoy your freedoms.
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Cynic
Posted - June 13, 2010
09:45 AM
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Just what we need, a smirking, one-sided hero-worshipping
piece with the benefit of 50 years of hindsight. Non-violence has an honorable
tradition in this country; my ancestors, the Rogerenes, practiced it in
the face of oppression from the New London 'establishment,' to coin a phrase.
I respect these people for following their moral convictions.
The writer, however, clearly is pushing a giggle-giggle approach: how
silly we were to fear the 'Red menace!' How enlightened we of the modern
media are! There never was a threat. Just ask anyone in Hollywood, the source
of modern political enlightenment.
Maybe the writer should solicit opinions from eastern Europe.
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Gossip
Posted - June 13, 2010
09:35 AM
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tsk tsk tsk, such animosity!
it's the concept of peace that all too many have overlooked as a possibility.
we know we must deal effectively with the countless thugs around the world,
and the ones inside 'our world' here too. that's the reality, and its
a nasty one. choices made (and events that follow) will be carried forward
as lives are built upon basic premises and beliefs, as are actions which
follow due to natural human reactivity.
altering them here does not really change the thugs 'over there', so
we must safeguard ourselves, yet not become so habitually dependent on
flexing our might needlessly. its nice to be a 'big strong body builder',
but that too has its own limited usefullness. it costs money, it wastes
time and takes away from other basic needs.
there's always going to be bullies, fatheads, tyrants, gun totin' jerks,
and some plain crazy nutcakes ready to stomp, maim, razz and bomb people
for any real or contrived reason. but they are exceptional people (in the
most exceptional sense) and they live among us and 'over there' too.
as a small sidestory, i will never forget riding my bicycle northward
on Eastern Pt Rd one fine sunny day years ago. it was about the EB lunch
time and the throngs of yardbirds were occupying (as in taking control of)
the entire street so i dismounted so as to show due caution. despite that,
i received countless free thrown beer bottles (empty, dammmit, or i would
have caught them!) tossed at me for no dammmn good reason. that left me
with a clear and decisive memory, and to forever find a way to revenge those
slobs until the day i die.
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Tym
Posted - June 13, 2010
08:59 AM
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And these people are now running the USA, you
people are doomed.
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VicGuan
Posted - June 13, 2010
07:53 AM
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I just read about a pacifist who became a medic
and won the Medal of Honor for his actions during wartime. Those are the
people I admire, not these individuals.
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